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Collecting data from many sources, I submit the Big Fat Glyph Table for WoD. I submit without comment, except the following.

  • I celebrate at last the removal of one of the two Stampede glyphs. Such a pain to track two different ones.
  • Let’s discuss this table.
    • Unchanged – The same glyph will exist in WoD. There is no guarantee that it will function precisely the same, but it’s more or less survived intact.
    • Removed – The glyph with this Item ID is being replaced with a thing called Charred Glyph, an item worth exactly 50s in the coming expansion. So sell it for whatever you can get unless all you can get for it is less than 50s.
    • Changed – The glyph you have now will change to something else, but it will still be a glyph that you can sell. Look at the “Comments” column for the name of the glyph it will change to. Not that matters a whole lot pre-patch.
    • New – A new glyph will be introduced with a new Item ID. You are not prepared.
    • Uncertain – I am getting conflicting information.  For example, one source says the glyph is being added, but the datamined data on wod.wowhead.com says it doesn’t exist.  Since this doesn’t affect the pre-patch activities that much, just keep an eye on it.  See the comments column for any relevant info.

The table itself can be filtered, segmented, or sorted at your whimsy.  And that’s pretty much all I have to say.  Enjoy.

Unchanged
Removed
Changed
New
Uncertain
Comments
Absorb Magic
Afterlife
Aimed Shot
Ambush
Angels
Animal Bond
Anti-magic Shell
Aquatic Form
Arcane Explosion
Arcane Language
Arcane Power
Ardent Defender
Armors
Army of the Dead
Aspect of the Beast
Aspect of the Cheetah
Aspect of the Pack
Aspects
Astral Communion
Astral Recall
Avenging Wrath
Barkskin
Beacon of Light
Binding Heal
Black Ice
Blackout Kick
Blade Flurry
Bladed Judgement
Blessed Life
Blind
Blinding Light
Blink
Blitz
Bloodcurdling Shout
Bloodthirst
Bloody Healing
Blooming
Blurred Speed
Borrowed Time
Breath of Fire
Bull Rush
Burden of Guilt
Burning Anger
Camouflage
Capacitor Totem
Carrion Swarm
Cat Form
Celestial Alignment
Certificate of Ownership
Chain Lightning
Chaining
Chains of Ice
Charm Woodland Creatures
Cheap Shot
Chimera Shot
Circle of Healing
Clash
Cleansing Waters
Cleave
Cloak of Shadows
Colossus Smash
Combustion
Condensation
Cone of Cold
Confession
Conflagrate
Conjure Familiar
Consecration
Contemplation
Corpse Explosion
Counterspell
Crackling Tiger Lightning
Crimson Banish
Crittermorph
Crow Feast
Curse of Exhaustion
Curse of the Elements
CursesIf it's being added, there is currently no data.
Cyclone
Dancing Rune Weapon
Dark Archangel
Dark Simulacrum
Dark Soul
Dark Succor
Dash
Dazing Shield
Deadly Momentum
Death and Decay
Death Coil
Death from Above
Death Gate
Death Grip
Death's Embrace
Decoy
Deep Freeze
Deep FrostIf it's being added, there is currently no data.
Deep Wells
Delayed Coalescence
Deluge
Demon Hunting
Demon Training
Demonic Circle
Denounce
Detection
Deterrence
Detox
Devotion Aura
Die by the Sword
Direction
Disappearance
Disengage
Disguise
Dispel Magic
Dispersion
Distract
Distracting Shot
Divine Plea
Divine Protection
Divine Shield
Divine Storm
Divine Wrath
Divinity
Double Jeopardy
Dragon's Breath
Drain Life
Efflorescence
Elusiveness
Ember Tap
Empowerment
Enchanted Bark
Endless Wrath
Enduring Deceit
Enduring Healing Sphere
Enduring Infection
Energy
Energy Flows
Enraged Speed
Enslave Demon
Entangling Roots
Ephermal Spirits
Eternal Resolve
Evaporation
Evasion
Evocation
Expel Harm
Explosive Trap
Expose Armor
Eye of Kilrogg
Fade
Fae Silence
Faerie Fire
Falling Meteor
Far Sight
Fear
Fear Ward
Feint
Felguard
Feral Spirit
Ferocious Bite
Festering Blood
Fetch
Fighting Pose
Final Wrath
Fire Elemental Totem
Fire from the Heavens
Fire Nova
Fireworks
Fists of Fury
Flame Shock
Flames of XorothIf it's being added, there is currently no data.
Flaming Serpent
Flash of Light
Flawless Defense
Flying Serpent Kick
Focused Mending
Focused Shield
Focused Wrath
Fortifying Brew
Fortuitous Spheres
Foul Menagerie
Free Action
Freedom Roll
Freezing Trap
Frenzied Regeneration
Frost Nova
Frost Shock
Frostfire Bolt
Gag Order
Garrote
Gateway Attunement
Ghost Wolf
Ghostly Speed
Gouge
Grace
Grounding
Grounding Totem
Guard
Guardian Spirit
Guided Stars
Gushing Wound
Hammer of the Righteous
Hamstring
Hand of Freedom
Hand of Gul'dan
Hand of Sacrafice
Harsh Words
Havoc
Headhunting
Healing Storm
Healing Stream Totem
Healing Touch
Healing Wave
Health Funnel
Healthstone
Heavy Repercussions
Hemorraghing Veins
Hemorrhage
Heroic Leap
Hex
Hindering Strikes
Hoarse Voice
Hold the Line
Holy Fire
Holy Nova
Holy Resurrection
Holy Shock
Holy Wrath
Honor
Horn of Winter
Hurricane
Ice Block
Ice Trap
Icebound Fortitude
Icy Runes
Icy Touch
Icy Veins
Illumination
Illusion
Imbued Bark
Immediate Truth
Imp Swarm
Impaling Throws
Improved Distraction
Incite
Inferno Blast
Inner Fire
Inner Sanctum
Innervate
Inquisition
Inspired Hymns
InterruptionIf it's being added, there is currently no data.
Intimidating Shout
Jab
Judgement
Keg Smash
Kick
Killing Spree
Lava Lash
Lava Spread
Leap of Faith
Leer of the Ox
Lesser Proportion
Levitate
Liberation
Life Cocoon
Life Pact
Life Tap
Light of Dawn
Lightning Shield
Lightwell
Lingering Ancestors
Long Charge
Loose Mana
Loud Horn
Maim
Mana Gem
Mana Tea
Marking
Mass Dispel
Mass Exorcism
Master Shapeshifter
Master's Call
Maul
Mend Pet
Mending
Metamorphosis
Might of Ursoc
Mighty Victory
Mind Blast
Mind Flay
Mind Freeze
Mind Spike
Miraculous Dispelling
Mirror Image
Mirrored Blades
Misdirection
Mocking Banner
Momentum
Moonwarding
Mortal Strike
Mystic Shout
Nature's Grasp
Necrotic StrikeIf it's being added, there is currently no data.
Nightmares
Nimble Brew
No Escape
Omens
One with Nature
Outbreak
Paralysis
Path of Frost
Pathfinding
Penance
Pestilenceto Boil Blood
Pick Lock
Pick Pocket
Pillar of Frost
Pillar of Light
Play Dead
Poisons
Polymorph
Pounceto Rake
Power Word: Shield
Prayer of Mending
Protector of the Innocent
Prowl
Psychic Horror
Psychic Scream
Purge
Purify
Quick Revival
Raging Blow
Raging Wind
Rain of Frogs
Raise Ally
Rallying Cry
Rapid Displacement
Rapid Rolling
Rapid Teleportation
Reactive Shielding
Rebirth
Recklessness
Recovery
Recuperate
Redirect
Reflective Shield
Regenerative Ice
Regenerative Magic
Regrowth
Rejuvenation
Remove Curse
Renew
Renewed Tea
Renewing Mists
Resilient Grip
Resonating Power
Restored Faith
Revive Pet
Riptide
Rising Tiger Kick
Rude Interruption
Rune Tap
Runic Power
Safe Fall
Savagery
Scatter Shot
Scourge Imprisonment
Seal of Blood
Shackle Undead
Shadow
Shadow Bolt
Shadow Magic
Shadow Ravens
Shadow Walk
Shadow Word: Death
Shadowflame
Shadowy Friends
Shamanistic Rage
Shamanistic Resolve
Sharp Knives
Shattering Throw
Shield Slam
Shield Wall
Shifted Appearances
Shifting Presences
Shiv
Shocks
Shred
Silence
Siphon Life
Skull Bash
Slow
Smite
Smoke Bomb
Snake Trap
Snake TrapNew rune, old name.
Solace
Soothing Mist
Soul Consumption
Soul Swap
Soulstone
Soulwell
Sparring
Spell Reflection
Spellsteal
Spinning Crane Kick
Spinning Fire Blossom
Spirit of Redemption
Spirit Raptors
Spirit Roll
Spirit Walk
Spirit Wolf
Spiritwalker's Aegis
Spiritwalker's Focus
Spiritwalker's Grace
Splitting Ice
Sprint
StampedeAt last, we only have one glyph by this name to track!
Stampede
Stampeding Roar
Stars
Stealth
Strangulate
Strengthened Resolve
Subtlety
Sudden EclipseIf it's being added, there is currently no data.
Surging Mist
Survival Instincts
Sweeping Strikes
Tame Beast
Targeted Expulsionto Detoxing
Telluric Currents
Templar's Verdict
the Alabaster Sheild
the Battle Healer
the Bear Cub
the Blazing Trail
the Chameleon
the Cheetah
the Compy
the Consecrator
the Drawn Sword
The Executor
the Exorcist
the Falling Avenger
the Floating Butterfly
the Flying Serpent
the Geist
the Heavens
the Ice Reaper
the Inquisitor
the Lakestrider
the Lean Pack
the Liberator
the Long Winter
the Luminous Charger
the Monkey
the Mounted King
the Ninth Life
the Orca
the Penguin
the Porcupine
the Predator
the Raging Whirlwind
the Redeemer
the Righteous Retreat
the Sha
the Shapemender
the Spectral Wolf
the Sprouting Mushroom
the Stag
the Subtle Defender
the Treant
the Val'kyr
the Watchful Eye
the Weaponmaster
Thunder
Thunder Strike
Thunderstorm
Totemic Encirclement
Totemic Recall
Totemic Vigor
Touch of Death
Touch of Karma
Tranquil Grip
Tranquilizing Shot
Transcendence
Travel
Tricks of the Trade
Twilight Ward
Unending Breath
Unending Rage
Unending Resolve
Unholy Command
Unholy Frenzy
Unstable Affliction
Unstable Earth
Ursol's DefenseIf it's being added, there is currently no data.
Vampiric Blood
Vampiric Embrace
Vanish
Vendetta
Verdant Spheres
Victorious Throw
Victory Roll
Victory Rush
Water Elemental
Water Roll
Water Shield
Weakened Soul
Whirlwindto Wind and Thunder
Wild Growth
Wind Shear
Winged Vengance
Word of Glory
Zen Flight
Zen Focus
Zen Meditation

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This is what I get from believing patch notes.

The following glyphs are not inherently learned, and therefore valid for sales..

  • Might of Ursoc
  • Nature’s Grasp

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With the dissemination of the WoW 6.0.2 PTR patch notes, we now have a first good idea as to what the glyph landscape will look like post-Warlords.

In this first round, we are informed that some glyphs will now become known inherently as you achieve certain levels in-game. In other words, you won’t have to buy a glyph off the AH or make it or have it made in order to learn that glyph. Good news for everyone else, bad news for us.

We made several improvements to the Glyph system. While leveling, characters unlock Glyph slots at several specific levels. However, in order to get glyphs, characters need to visit an Auction House (and potentially pay way more gold than an average character of that level has yet), or know a Scribe from which to request them. To solve this, we’ve made characters learn some Glyphs automatically as they level. Additionally, we now have the ability to make some glyphs exclusive with each other, or require specific specializations.

Source

What this means for you is that all the glyphs in this list will potentially be turned into something called a Charred Glyph. These are worth exactly 50s when the patch drops – which is a pretty good deal considering what you can currently vendor a glyph. for something around 14s.

There’s a far shorter list of glyphs which have an uncertain future. To be honest, this could be a data mining error on WoWHead. Some – according to WoWHead – remain untouched, while some of them just … go away.

My methodology here was simple. I took the list from Blizz, looked them up on WoWHead noted the ID of the glyph, then looked it up on the Beta WoWHead. Easy enough. If you see a flaw in that logic, act accordingly.

So here’s the plan.

  1. Fire sale the glyphs on the list of those going away when the patch drops, stopping at 50s + auction fees.  If the price drops below that threshold, stash the glyphs and sell them for 50s apiece when 6.0.2 drops.
  2. Glyphs on the ‘uncertain’ list will probably go the same route … so it’s probably safe to follow option 1 with them as well. But if you feel that WoWHead is more reliable than Blizzard in this regard, by all means, set them aside or just keep them in your sale rotation, business as usual.

Here’s a couple of lists for you.

Glyphs turning to Charred Glyph

  • Alabaster Shield
  • Ambush
  • Avenging Wrath,
  • Black Ice
  • Blink
  • Bloodthirst
  • Breath of Fire
  • Bull Rush
  • Cat Form
  • Cheap Shot
  • Chimera Shot
  • Dash
  • Dazing Shield
  • Deadly Momentum
  • Death and Decay
  • Death Grip
  • Demon Training
  • Denounce
  • Dispersion
  • Divine Storm
  • Double Jeopardy
  • Drain Life
  • Ember Tap
  • Enraged Speed
  • Entangling Roots
  • Eternal Earth
  • Fade
  • Fae Silence
  • Faerie Fire
  • Fear
  • Ferocious Bite
  • Final Wrath
  • Fists of Fury
  • Flame Shock
  • Flash of Light
  • Fortuitous Spheres
  • Frost Nova
  • Frost Shock
  • Frostfire Bolt
  • Gag Order
  • Healing Touch
  • Healing Wave
  • Healthstone
  • Holy Fire
  • Levitate
  • Liberation
  • Light of Dawn
  • Lightning Shield
  • Long Charge
  • Mana Tea
  • Master Shapeshifter
  • Maul
  • Mending
  • Might of Ursoc
  • Mind Blast
  • Misdirection
  • Nature’s Grasp
  • Omens
  • Pathfinding
  • Penance
  • Polymorph
  • Rapid Rolling
  • Rebirth
  • Recuperate
  • Reflective Shield
  • Rejuvenation
  • Renew
  • Savagery
  • Shield Wall
  • Shifting Presences
  • Siphon Life
  • Slow
  • Smite
  • Spinning Crane Kick
  • Spiritwalker’s Grace
  • Stealth
  • Templar’s Verdict
  • the Executor
  • Thunder
  • Unholy Command

Glyphs with Uncertain Futures

  • Harsh Words
  • Totemic Recall
  • Victory Roll
  • Victory Rush
  • Water Elemental
  • Word of Glory

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I’ve been watching other servers merge get linked and I’ve been kind of curious as to how the linking affects their economy. Starting this Thursday, Alleria, a high-pop server (my home) is linking to Khadgar, a low-pop server.

Some of the comments I’ve seen from low-pop servers (and one medium-pop) indicate that there are lot of "makers" but very few "takers", keeping prices low and sales flat. Here on Alleria, even common commodities like herbs can sell out, prices can get a bit up there, and things generally do move.  Even at that, our prices on Alleria have been historically below the average for all realms1.

My own business has been brisk.  I generally can’t keep the shelves fully stocked, I’m always playing catch-up.  On average I pull in 25,000 GP a week. The glyph business has, surprisingly, remained a decent source of income, especially since Blizzcon2.

So what happens when Khadgar’s population gets to taste these waters? That … is the great unknown. Will they inundate us with an oversupply of all things? Will they be starved for goods? Will my counterpart on Khadgar be a total jerk, intent on driving me out of business?3

It’s all, at this point, rather exciting, from a glyph market geek point of view. My *hopes* are that it will be positive.  I might even get to bring some glyphs out of retirement if prices pick up. But even if it goes the other way, I could take at least 25-50% market depression and still get along fine.

In a few days I’ll follow up, allowing things to stabilize – probably after the weekend.


  1. Thanks, TUJ Realm-specific addon! []
  2. I guess peeps are genuinely excited by things to come. []
  3. For the record, that’s been tried before. Go for it. I am Asia. Bring the land war. []

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One of the benefits of having multiple max level toons on the team is that each contributes in his or her own special way.  I make flasks and potions, and do transmutes for sale.  Illume makes glyphs for sale and our own use.  Jas runs the auctions and provides bags.  Each of us provide armor and weapons as we can make them.

Illume has some pretty sweet items in her bag of tricks -  the fan is already mine, but the staff requires Spirits of Harmony, an item you can’t just go buy or mail to an alt. 

So, what to do other than start grinding with the mage and get her inventory full of Spirits.  The goal is to get her to 90, then get her grinding the Tillers so she can plant songbells. This will keep things moving along for future stuff as well.

The point of this is to get my iLevel up to where I can queue for things like daily heroic scenarios and stuff. I’ve been grinding the Darkspear weekly when it makes sense, but weapons are not part of the rewards, alas.

It’s kinda weird going at it from two fronts like that, but whatever works, works.

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After close to two months off the grid, this is what I returned to

Shattered Glyph Market

This is the downside of using mailboxes to keep your stuff organized between you and various mules; anything not in bags evaporated into the Twisted Nether.

On the bright side, my nemesis appears to have disappeared again, and glyph prices are up from where they were when I left. I’m guessing that the number of glyph mongers have decreased faster than the server population as a whole.

Well, off to rebuild.  Has anyone seen the ‘Open’ sign?  It’s under this stuff somewhere …

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In which Actual Numbers are used to derive Actual Conclusions. Accept no substitutes.

I mentioned a while back that I didn’t trust WoWHead’s numbers on pigment yields from herbs, based on a few things.

  1. Uploads from the collection tool don’t seem to be applied in real time.
  2. There is no indication as to how often stale data is purged,
  3. … or how old is considered stale
  4. No indication as to how much of that data is from Beta, and thus no confidence in whether the data was from artificially inflated yield rates1

I also mentioned at the time that I had created an addon that would grab milling data automatically in order to obtain an alternative set of numbers that would be – to me -  unimpeachable.

The downside to this is that I could not trust the numbers I saw until I had more samples.  I think I have enough – for MoP herbs – to provide some more or less accurate commentary, which I present forthwith.

Pigment yields, raw numbers

As you probably know, there are two types of pigments yielded – common (for Ink of Dreams), and rare (for Starlight Ink).  The former is for the mundane stuff such as glyphs, the latter for the rare and epic items, quite often cards for Darkmoon decks.  So there are two thing to consider when obtaining inks to mill – what are you looking for, and what are you going to do with it?

For the average glyph monger, high yield of common inks and low cost (if buying) are key factors.  For Darkmoon Card makers, high yield of rare inks will be the overriding concern.

Common Pigment Yields

As you can see, common inks are largely clustered around the 2.5 per mill mark.  Fool’s Cap far outstrips that at 2.84 per mill. So if other factors are the same, Fool’s Cap is the way to go.  Otherwise any of the other herbs except for Desecrated Herbs are equally good. Desecrated Herbs are probably going to be overpriced, but if they aren’t, they’re marginally better than others.

Rare Pigment Yields

Rare pigments have a similar story, with most clustered around one pigment per four mills, or 0.25. Fool’s Cap again is crazy large at more than one per every other grind, but the price may make it unfeasible.  However, given it’s close to 3-to-1 superiority to the others, a bit of flexibility on the price is warranted. Even at double the price of the others, its yields make it more profitable.

Again, Desecrated Herbs have a marginally higher yield rate than the others, but not high enough to justify a premium price.

The clear winner here is Fool’s Cap, with its tremendous yields of both pigment types. You can justify quite a lot of time farming or money on the AH in order to obtain stacks of this herb. This is especially true if you are after rare inks – the other herbs don’t hold a candle to it.


  1. It’s possible, in order to get more iterations, that node spawns as well as milling yields were tweaked in beta. I have no evidence that that is the case, but I have to consider the possibility when it comes to working numbers. []

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The planned new training recipes for Blacksmithing in patch 5.2 make me sad.

Lemme splain.

In a nutshell, these new recipes can be used to get you from skill level 1 to 500 by using Ghost Iron – I’m going to assume that in the next expansion, it will be the ore of the new lands, perpetually from 5.2 on out.

The good news of this is that you don’t have to go farming for copper, tin, iron, and so forth to get you through the lower levels.

But here’s the thing; can I see a show of hands of anyone that felt that farming or buying copper ore was any more difficult than farming or buying ghost iron?  It’s not difficult. It’s not a problem.  The greatest challenge it poses is for you to figure out what zone has what ores, which is just the sort of brain-dead activity that separates us from lower primates.

In short, this solves a problem that doesn’t exist.

It is strangely similar to how Blizzard solved “the leveling problem”.  Instead of making it interesting, they made it trivial.

And GhostCrawler has the nerve to be surprised that his playerbase “optimizes for efficiency.”

The simplified leveling model solved a problem that didn’t exist. The new blacksmithing scheme does as well.  And both are a monumental waste of time.

If they decide to trivialize the leveling or blacksmithing experience so that it’s just stupid simple to do, why not do something a lot less complicated?  Just let people buy level 85 characters for fifty bucks (and kill the illicit market for said toons).  Just let people pay a huge sum of gold for BS skill level 500 and stop clogging our zones with farmers.

They have a moral and philosophical objection to this sort of thing, but because of those peccadillos, they’ve wasted countless man-hours on something that nobody wants, instead of, oh, I don’t know, new content maybe?. Maybe finish up dance studio? Maybe get those updated models out there?

No, what they’ve decided to do is to give us ways to skip parts of the game without actually and factually doing the deed.

And that, my friends, is disappoint.

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In the “goblin” world, there are goblins, and there are those that write about goblins, and there are those of us that more or less peer in from the edges, bemused at how far one person will go to make a few gold pieces.  I fancy myself in the latter, no illusions there, but I wonder where WpW Insider’s resident goblin journo places himself?

His topic of the day was something near to my heart, inscription as a money maker.  As usual, he almost gets it right, or almost gets it wrong, but doesn’t really nail either.

Buy the Numbers

The first thing I want to tackle isn’t provably wrong – not yet, or at least not provable by me – but I want to shed some light on the statement that possibly was edited down for brevity.1

Assuming you can make a full deck for every 12 cards you produce (which is the ratio you see if you trade really well and/or produce a lot of cards), it’ll cost you 120 stacks of any herb but Fool’s Cap, or 75 stacks of Fool’s Cap. At 40g per stack of, for example, Green Tea Leaf, that’s 4800g per deck. Some decks can sell for over 20,000g.

What’s he talking about, Fool’s Cap requiring fewer stacks?  Well, basically, what he’s saying here is that Fool’s Cap yields up more Misty Pigment than other herbs do.  If he got his numbers from WoWHead, I do question them – WoWHead does not appear to purge old data that often, so the numbers up there could possibly include Beta data.  Hard to say, since they’ve become less transparent by the day.2

However, I wrote a little addon that has been tracking all milling I do in real time.  So far, the yields look like this.3

MoP Herb Yields 2012-12-28

So, everything hovers around the .25-pigments-per-mill level, except for Fool’s Cap, which has yielded around .60.  Yes, that’s more than double, which is in excess of WoWHead’s numbers.  I have no idea whether this will hold, but I’ll be monitoring it.  Right now, I don’t have enough samples from all herb types to make me comfortable publishing a link to the database, but before too long I will.

The upshot is, yeah, right now it’s worth it to buy Fool’s Cap for purposes of making Darkmoon cards.  But now that Euripides has let the cat out of the bag, I expect there to be at least a window in which it will be priced beyond reason.  Keep your eyes on the prices.

Don’t Believe it

Glyphs are a whole other beast. I’ve said a few times that this market isn’t worth pursuing, and to some extent, this still holds true. The main reason I’d advise against trying your hand at the glyph market is that everyone else disagrees with me, and that the profit per hour in this market is purely driven by competitors’ willingness to spend more time cancelling and relisting.

This shows some old-fashioned thinking on Euripides’ part.  The “work harder not smarter” attitude works, if you have no other interest in this game than to sell things and make gold. I’ve other things to do. This is and has been a side-project, in which I attempted to determine if one could make money on the AH in an intelligent way.  I’ve succeeded – if you disagree, it can only be on the matter as to what degree I’ve succeeded.  However, since I started this exercise in Wrath, I’ve accumulated over 1,000,000 gold, so I think I’m on solid ground here.

I published my methods here, so I won’t go into great detail now, but essentially these principles held, and still hold.

  1. Treat the enterprise as you would a retail outlet.
  2. Maintain a working inventory of glyphs.
  3. Cultivate a reliable, inexpensive source of materials.
  4. Rotate stuff out when its price drops too far (as opposed to a forced reset, which is too labor-intensive) and shelve stuff that doesn’t sell at all.
  5. Don’t worry about Euripides and the goblins.

#5 is the part that flies in the face of what Euripides said. He maintains that you have to undercut like a fiend.  I don’t. I sold 5000 GP worth of glyphs last night.  Does that sound like a good turnaround for an hour’s work? It does to me.  I post ONCE per day. I still sell stuff. There are a variety of reasons, but the biggest reason is that the stuff that sells, will sell.  Some “goblin” may undercut me, but if the glyph is a seller, then his glyphs WILL be bought, then mine are right there for the next buyer.

Don’t take the advice of trolls

I like angry letters, so when I have time to troll my esteemed competitors, I’ll go and post a "glyph wall" of 3 of each glyph for triple the materials cost. This is just expensive enough that it’s not worth them buying me out, and cuts the high end of the market (the 300g glyphs that cost 15g to make) out from under them. This can be fun, not unlike popping bubble wrap. I still get undercut within an hour, but since this doesn’t really drive demand up that much, I don’t end up selling anything more than I would have at the high prices. That’s generally when they’ll mail me letting me know this.

In the end, though, I can’t spend all day trolling — they just wait for me to have better things to do and then go back to their old ways.

I encounter a number of idiots like this on my server4 and I always get the last laugh, because while they’re all wrapped up in this little game of theirs, I just keep posting and selling.  They were thick as fleas on a camel when the expansion posted, but they’re gone now, and I an still making bank.  Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boy.

If you’re going to disregard my advice and try to get into the glyph market, the best advice I have for you is to make sure you have the most efficient possible setup, and undercut really frequently.

If you want to make money making glyphs, and you don’t want it to be your life, then disregard this advice and reflect on the article I linked above.  Exercise patience and intelligence5 and you’ll not want for gold in days to come.

Moving on

I’ve a couple more tweaks to make to see how far I can push this thing, but now that I’ve gotten my Million, it’s all become rather pointless. I’m not one of those one-percenters that digs the money just for being the money. My goal has been to provide a comfortable nest egg for ten toons on this server, and I’ve more than accomplished my goal. Anything else is just gravy.

Everybody loves gravy.


  1. Or uberness. One never knows. []
  2. Doesn’t mean I’m going to wax poetic about WoWDB any time soon. []
  3. Green = common yields, Slate = rare yields. []
  4. And yes, that’s a direct Euripides quote, and yes, I just called him an idiot. It’s justified. Trolls are idiots. []
  5. No comment. []

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As treasurer for the clan on the Alleria server, it is my job to disburse and otherwise account for all gold made by the team.  Our goal early on was to ensure a comfortable living wage for all alts in the clan, ensure nobody ever wanted for an enchant, mount, or training session when needed, and to someday reach the lofty goal of one million gold sovereigns.

one millyun

So, yeah, that’s a thing.1

The addon that shows all the alts’ monies for us is, by the way, Broker_Currency, an LDB addon that manages a few things about currencies, such as showing them on the LDB display bar (ChocolateBar in this case), making a drop-down showing all of a particular currency type for all alts on the server, showing certain currencies when you have bags open, and so forth.  This isn’t just money, it’s also things like cooking awards, faction tokens, and so forth. Basically, if Blizz calls it a currency, you can display it in a number of ways for convenience.

We’re all very sad that the original Grimmtooth can’t be here to appreciate the moment. He started the project in WotLK, and would have appreciated its completion.  He’d also appreciate having access to a million gold since there is a sweeeeet gun that pops up on the BMAH, and he could really use it right now. Unfortunately, no way to transfer money between here and Azuremyst, so he’s going to have to work his dwarven butt off to get it.

There are many ways to 1000000 gold. Our approach was to run a glyph shop.  I did the gathering, when needed.  Illume did the crafting. Jasra handled sales of glyphs and all other items that we found, made, or otherwise acquired.  We went for slow and steady, and it has worked quite well. Nobody in the group wants for anything. And we still exceeded the goal, though not as quickly as expected.2

I’m not sure what we’ll do now. The Glyph Store thing has become its own little mini-game. Illume’s number-crunching on prices, availability, and sales patterns are absolutely fascinating. Things like, WHO IS KILLING THE MARKET?  Answer: look who wasn’t here when prices improved.  That sort of thing. Nothing that will help in a raid, but when somebody in guild chat says GEE MY LUCK ON MISTY PIGMENT SUCKS, it’s nice to be able to say, “Well, based on a sample of thousands of mills, all herbs except XXX have a less than 1-per-stack for that pigment. So focus on milling XXX.”3

We’ve been looking at the Enchanting market.  It’s a lot more volatile than glyphs.  But some of the enchants appear to bring some sweet rewards on the AH.

Tedious and boring details will be published when appropriate. Fairly warned be ye, say I.


  1. Don’t be fooled. “Grimmtooth” here is not the homicidal dwarf hunter we’ve all come to love.  He’s a baby gnome warlock that keeps the name from being taken should Grimm the First ever decide to return to his homeland. NOT that that’s been on his mind, but we like to keep our options open. []
  2. Sales fell by over 80% after that post.  But the bottom line is, it was still profitable. Just not headline-worthy. []
  3. Right now, XXX appears to be Desecrated Herb and Fool’s Cap.  Though I hasten to point out that WoWHead’s numbers are much higher for other herbs than actual results obtained during actual milling. []

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